Whitley Strieber describes his encounters with Non-Human Entities

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I'm Ted Bonnett.

I'm Phil Proctor.

Hope you can hear me.

Yes.

Hey, Phil, where the hell are you these days?

Oh, I'm in Florida right now, ladies and gentlemen.

I was abducted last night and put on some kind of a vehicle.

I don't.

I have vague recollections of sleeping and being tossed around.

No probing so far as I know, but otherwise it was quite an adventure.

And I ended up in, of all places, Jupiter, Florida.

No, I'm not at Jupiter.

That's no ufo.

That was a train.

Oh, that's what it was.

It was a train.

Yeah.

We're getting ready to go on a cruise which is going to take us to New Orleans and then around, whatever, to Cozumel.

Unless of course, war has been declared on Mexico, in which case we'll probably just stay at sea.

Or we might be asked to, I don't know, to.

To help with the invasion.

I'm not exactly sure.

Hopefully the special forces won't attack your cruise ship in the Gulf of America.

We can only hope.

These days we never know.

Anyway, it's great to be here when I'm not anywhere at all.

We have a particularly interesting guest today, someone whom I've admired for many years.

Why don't you tell him our listeners, a little bit about him.

Our guest today is Whitley Strieber, the American writer best known for his horror novels the Wolfen and the Hunger, but also for his nonfiction books, including Communion, which is, as he says it, a truthful account of his reported experiences with non human entities.

Over the years, he has maintained a dual career as an author of fiction and an advocate of metaphysical concepts through his best selling novels, his nonfiction books.

He also has his website, the Unknown country and his podcast, Dreamland.

Whitley, thank you so much for joining us today.

It's really great to have you.

I'm glad to be here.

And I've never.

I don't believe I've ever interviewed with, with you before.

Nope, nope.

First time?

No.

Good.

We met ever so briefly 40 years ago.

But wasn't it 39 years and two months?

Could be, but who's counting?

Yeah.

You literally changed my life in the most unexpected way.

I've always been interested in UFOs because I was a kid of the 60s, we were going to the moon and Project Blue Book came out and flying saucers, serious business, which to me was all the kind of a folkloric component of the UFO space age phenomena.

So I always had an interest in it and then my first job in radio was in Westchester County, New York at a station called WRNW.

And I was there in the mid-70s.

I was the news director.

And people would come up to me all the time and say, hey, I saw a UFO last night.

All in Westchester county, which is north of New York City.

I never saw anything.

But even one point, Saturday Night Live in its first or second season, whatever the Lily Tomlin show was.

My colleague said, hey, Saturday Night Live is filming a short outside, go and interview them.

And I saw Chevy Chase and I saw Dan Aykroyd.

And I interviewed Dan Aykroyd and he was a lovely man.

He goes, I'm doing my day job, but I'm really here looking for UFOs.

I said, how's that?

I said, there is a lot of UFO activity up here.

And this is before the flap really hit in Hudson Valley in the early 80s.

And he said, yes, I know, that's what I'm looking for.

And I said, where are you gonna look?

He said, I'm spend the night up here.

I said, where?

He said, I'm looking at this one all girl campus down the street, maybe there thinking, well, 20 years later I met and got to know his brother who told me that in fact Dan did stay overnight looking for UFOs.

He was quite serious that night that to be staying in Westchester County.

So there was a lot of stuff going on.

So I did a syndicated radio show about outer space exploration.

Had really nothing to do with paranormal.

It was really about interviewing astronauts and the space program and the science programs.

We decided out of 65 programs, let's do one on UFOs.

I heard about a UFO conference in, I believe it was Brewster.

This was like 87 and it was an interesting day to say the least.

There were some really fascinating people.

There were some really unhinged people.

But I wanted to stick it out because you were giving a keynote and you came on and you said, listen, before I get into my main presentation, I want to talk about a particular case that occurred not far from here, Pound Ridge, New York.

And you described an experience about a person who was working as a chauffeur at the time, who had driven a couple of clients from New York City up to their country house in Pound Ridge late at night after, I guess, a night of clubbing.

And they came into Pound Ridge at probably, I don't know, two in the morning or something like that.

And the lights were out, there was a blackout in the area.

And the chauffeur drove the two men up their wooded driveway to their home.

And when they got up the driveway, they all saw a very big blue glow in the woods behind the farmhouse.

They investigated.

They saw what looked like a large, I believe, triangular, maybe 40 foot tall structure in the woods.

Like, how did it even get in there?

At that point, the chauffeur who you were referring to said to his clients, do you want to get out of here?

And they said, no, we'll just call the police.

And at that point, they saw headlights coming up the driveway.

They had just come up and they thought, oh, the police are already here.

But it turned out to be a vehicle that wasn't touching the ground.

It drove right by them and into the woods towards that blue object.

And at that point, I believe it's when the chauffeur said, you want to get out of here?

And they said, no, no, we're good.

And so the chauffeur went back to his car to drive back to the city.

And he had a sense of feeling of something behind him.

He turned around and he remembered, as you described it, big black eyes like a deer right in his face, shook it off, drove back to the city, realizing the lights were still out in Pound Ridge, got back to New York, and then realized he had lost two hours of time.

And that chauffeur is joining us today as well.

Because the fascinating thing was you said at the time, now, normally I wouldn't necessarily believe this particular witness because of his background.

And you mentioned his background, including some comedy.

I won't get any more specific because we're protecting his name.

And when you said it, the hair went up in my arms because I knew who you were talking about.

I knew who this chauffeur was.

And you had said it had happened six months before.

And that's what really freaked me out, because I had met this chauffeur exactly six months before.

We did a radio show in New York, a comedy show, and I met him through an introduction.

So I met him sight unseen, and he was just so funny.

I said, just come down to the show and improv with us on Friday night.

And he said, sure.

And he showed up to our radio show and he was sunburned and had conjunctivitis and was pretty spaced out, but he was hilarious, so to speak.

And he was very.

He was right on it, performance wise.

But when we would take a music break, he would just, like, space out.

And at the end of the show, he left.

It was lovely.

And the rest of the cast was there.

And I said, what do you think of him?

He said, great.

Funny guy, very strange.

I said, yeah, that was weird, huh?

And so anyway, I never understood what that was about.

I had no idea at the time because obviously the chauffeur did not get into it with me and I didn't ask him.

But six months later, I'm in that lecture you were giving.

You describe what happened to him.

I realized I saw the sunburn and conjunctivitis you described.

So I went up to you after you spoke.

You were signing books, you were swamped.

And I went up to you And I said, Mr. Strieber, could you tell me the name of that chauffeur?

And you didn't even look up at me.

You said, nah, nah, I can't.

And I leaned into you and I whispered, is it so?

And so and so and so.

And you stopped, you looked me in the eye and said, he'll never tell.

I have to say, for me personally, that was the greatest gift I could have ever asked for, because I always asked for my participation in this subject matter.

Not to be personal, to be a reporter, to be objective, not to be deer in the headlights, so to speak.

And this was the perfect gift in that you had no idea.

The chauffeur had no idea.

No one tipped me off.

It was revealed to me in a perfect way for me to understand.

Eventually, I found this chauffeur.

We became good friends.

And I didn't know what to say to him about it because, you know, it's not like you joke around.

To me, people who've gone through this are akin to rape victims.

You're just careful.

And I had all sorts of thoughts like, I'm going to play a joke on him.

Let's go to lunch.

And I'll say something like, it's now time for us to tell you why you became.

And I thought, no, there's cutlery on the table.

I don't want to do that.

And he'd come over to my house once and saw my UFO books and said, I had something happen like this to me.

And I played dumb because I didn't want to taint it.

And I said, oh, really?

Tell me.

And he told me exactly the story you told at the podium with even more detail.

And then I knew there was something to all of this.

It was, again, the greatest gift.

I can't thank you enough for that because I've spent 40 years to doing investigative field research and interviews with witnesses all over the world from that experience and have gathered quite a lot of Information.

So thank you and welcome to the show.

Yeah, I'm.

I am surprised.

And thank you and thank.

Call him Bernie.

Okay.

Why?

Because of his son.

His sunburn?

Yeah, that's right.

Very clever, Jen.

Thank you and I'm delighted.

This is.

This is a fun idea, Fun one show.

I haven't seen Bernie in a long time and so we can, maybe we can share some stuff about what happened afterwards.

And also if you ever got anything out of the Missing time experience.

And I now know how that works, by the way, I know I can explain exactly how missing time works, what is done to the brain to cause it, and.

And also what is left over when you have missing time.

There is.

It's not a complete erasure of the memory, nor is it intended to be, I wouldn't think.

I always thought that Missing time was listening to Phil and Ted's Sexy Boomer show, but.

Hey, Bernie, welcome to the show.

Whitley, you helped Bernie out quite a bit after his experience to help him sort through what happened.

You did that for a number of people in the course of your research?

Yeah, a fair number.

Dad, I was wondering if I could jump back in.

Yeah, Bernie, go ahead, please.

I ran into a mutual friend after this happened on the elevator of Whitley's.

There's children, were friends, and he saw me with a sunburn.

He said, what happened to you?

And I just.

I knew him really well, so I started telling him the story and he said, you should read my friend Whitley Strieber's new book.

It's not out yet, but I've got an advanced copy and I'm going to give it to you.

You can read it tonight.

And I went up to my room and I opened it to read it and the phone rang.

I answered the telephone, it said, Bernie.

And I said, yes.

And he said, whitley Strieber.

He said, don't read my book.

He said, put the book away.

Just don't even look at it.

I want you to write down the strangest things that ever happened to you in your life.

Just make a list and then come over for dinner Saturday night.

And that's what I did.

And we went over the list and I went over one element of it that I thought was very unusual.

And he goes over and shows me where exactly the same thing happened to him.

And then pulled these letters out from around the world.

Italy, South America, et cetera.

Exactly the same description.

They had seen the same thing, which was a pretty unique and inexplicable image.

Then when I looked at things that had happened when I was 4 years old and then 14 years old.

And now, at 34 years old, as I was at the time, it became clear that this was either all one incident or it involved all the same subject, the same players.

It seemed to.

It all tied in.

Yeah, you get into the place in this that I unwittingly ended up.

I hadn't the faintest idea.

When I published Communion, I thought it was Bud Hopkins was theorizing, and maybe 50 people in the whole country had the experience.

We had no idea.

And then about a week after the book published, some letters came in, and I thought, well, authors don't get that many letters.

By two weeks later, the mailman were bringing boxes of them, dumping them on the living room floor.

And I said to Ann, I was looking at all some of these letters, and they were very intimate, very personal, extraordinary experiences by the hundreds.

And they were all signed and addressed, and you.

They were all had identity right there.

And I said, what are we going to do, Annie?

We can't read all these letters, and we can't throw them out.

I mean, because look at everybody's personal information and everything.

It's private.

And she said, you can't read them maybe, but I can.

And she took over the whole letter thing and basically bought a.

Got a letter opener and started opening them.

And she was a dynamo, my wife.

And then she hired a secretary.

She says to me one day, I need a secretary to help me with this.

I said, okay, I'll call Manpower.

And she said, no, I'll find the secretary among the letters.

She hands me a letter and she says, this is lady.

I'm going to call this lady and see if she'll be my secretary.

And I said, she says, here I was reading the letter that she's a singer and a.

An actress.

And I said, she's ancestors.

You ever heard of her?

I said, no.

Said, look at the handwriting.

That's a profession.

That is the handwriting of someone who knows a lot about things like shorthand and stuff.

She's a secretary, believe me.

And not only that, she lives down the street.

She lived a block away from us.

Good heavens.

Her name was Laurie Barnes, and she was Anne, Secretary for the next 15 years.

And your lovely wife passed away about 10 years ago, but she, at the time of these experiences, was really a rock for you, because when these experiences started to happen, I think your book Communion was really the first of its kind.

And you.

It was.

Yeah.

And you put yourself out there in a very vulnerable position because you were talking about extremely unpleasant Experiences that were against your will.

And yet you had an author's eye and mind and described your experiences so deeply, knowing even back 40 years ago.

The ridicule factor was so high back then.

And you had a career, you had a reputation to lose.

I did lose it, too.

Yeah, you did.

Oh, wow.

Absolutely gone.

Yeah, I know.

I lost my reputation and friends and had a lot of friends and very fancy friends, some of them in my book.

In fact, if you go to where we lived in New YORK now, to LaGuardia Place, between, I think, 3rd street and Bleecker, you'll find LaGuardia park, beautiful park with a beautiful statue of Mayor LaGuardia in it.

And that park is there.

We lived right across the street because Ann looked down out of the living room window at the dirt field that was there at the time and said, you know, I'm going to make that into a park.

And I thought, oh, my God.

I visualized getting.

Having to get me ending up out there with shovel.

Shovels and stuff.

Because Ann.

When Ann said she was going to do something, it's going to happen, and the idea of it not happening never even crossed her mind.

And I said, wait a minute.

And she said, no, no worry.

You're not going to be building a park.

And she marshaled all of her friends together, and they raised money, a couple million dollars, and created the park.

Now, when you go there, it's beautiful.

And you'll see a plaque under the statue of LaGuardia, and all of their names are on it, including the name Ann and Whitley Strieber.

And I said to her, you shouldn't put my name on that plaque.

And she said, no, I'll put it on the plaque.

That's all right.

And she did, and now it's there.

But with regard to the letters, she came out of her office one day and she said, whitley, this experience isn't just with Close Encounters.

This has something to do with what we call death.

And in that moment, she completely expanded the whole thing into a whole new level.

And since then, I've understood that the.

What we consider the dead and what we consider NHI or aliens are all one thing.

It's not what we think at all.

We think of us on one side and aliens from another planet on the other.

This is a much more complex, richer, and more sophisticated experience than that.

And the bottom line still remains pretty much the same.

We don't know who we are, we don't know where we are, and we don't know what in the dickens is.

Going on here, boy.

You just have to turn on the news to see that.

Whitley, let's talk about what happened to you, where the.

How this all started, because the experience itself is incredible and also frightening as hell.

But you always struck me as being a credible advocate of the reality of the UFO phenomenon, which you have continued to be too much of our pleasure.

I've heard you speaking on coast to coast and various other media outlets, and you've always been enlightening and comforting in a way, to the concept of the.

Multidimensionality of our existence and involuntary involvement.

That's right.

You didn't ask for this, just came at you.

No, it came out of nowhere.

As far as I was concerned.

You were in your cabin in Ulster, New York, right?

Originally.

Did you have any predisposition or interest in the subject of UFOs when this happened to you?

Not since I was a child.

When I was a little boy in the 50s, everyone was fascinated because there were stories all over the papers and everything, and we boys were fascinated.

Interestingly enough, there was a book written about me called Report on Communion.

And the authority was a reporter from San Antonio and went through all of my friends and family in San Antonio, asking them what they remembered of what I had described of my early life in communion.

And a consistent report was from the parents who were still alive in those days, that he was an odd child who kept saying that he was being kidnapped by spacemen.

And I was.

I was apparently asking for help, and everyone assumed it was just some childish fantasy.

But then, fast forward.

By the time I was in high school, I had completely forgotten about those childhood things, and whatever was happening to me then had just disappeared into the past.

I now understand why memories of things like that aren't retained by the brain.

I understand a great deal about how the brain works at this point in my life, because I've been studying it for years.

In any case, they were gone, the memories were gone.

And if one friend when we lived in New York, a friend who we had then wrote me a letter, an email a couple of years ago saying that the subject.

We used to sit around and talk a lot together in those days.

And he said, I remember the subject of UFOs came up one time, and you said, I have no interest whatsoever in talking about that.

And we changed the subject.

That was where I was when this happened to me, at Ground zero, essentially.

And I woke up in the middle of the night because I felt a sense of movement in the room and I was not in my bedroom.

I couldn't believe it.

I kept trying to make my bed come up around me because I was assuming I was having a nightmare.

And instead it gradually became an impossible, apparently real experience.

And it was just appalling.

There's all these bug like creatures you mentioned.

The big black eyes earlier were staring at me.

They were obviously very scared of me.

And then there had a voice that turned on and started saying in this very mechanical way, what can we do to help you stop screaming and repeating that phrase.

I didn't even know I was screaming.

How old were you when this happened?

Let's see, in 1985.

You're talking to a writer.

I'll have to figure that out.

Must have been 40.

40, okay, so you're well into adulthood.

You have a wife and child.

I had a wife and child in the cabin.

And the next morning when I woke up, I felt awful.

And I remembered something going on in the night.

And I said to my wife that I had seen an owl and looked at me, because you couldn't get an owl and no owl could come into the house.

And I talked about the owl a good bit.

Yeah.

And finally, as evening fell, I realized there had been no Al in the house.

And that was that.

That was when I decided not that I had seen aliens, that still didn't occur to me for weeks, but that I had some kind of a psychotic break, more than worse than a dream.

And I became very frightened because I was raising a child and having a wonderful wife, life with my wife.

And suddenly, was I going to lose all of that?

So initially you felt that this was some gnawing realization that you.

It was like a dreamlike state.

So you can't really pin it down, but you knew something unpleasant and heavy.

Went, something awful had happened.

And then in the next week or so, I really became very strung out.

I was beginning to remember this sort of masochistic, sadistic thing that had happened to me.

And I couldn't figure out, was I kidnapped by somebody?

Then I.

My butt started hurting and I remembered some.

Someone raping me, basically.

And I thought, holy, I've gone crazy.

Because nothing could.

That could not have happened.

There was no way.

I was in a house in the country with absolutely no chance of anything like that happening.

So I went to the doctor, figuring that whatever was wrong, it was something.

And I told him the whole story that I remembered at that point.

And he said he was the first person to bring up flying saucers.

He says, whitley, it sounds like you're telling me you were taken aboard a flying Saucer by little men.

I thought, holy shit.

That is what it sounds like.

And I went through a long period of testing and psychological testing and brain scans and all kinds of stuff, trying to figure out in what way was I crazy?

And that was a doctor's approach as well.

But my rectal injury kept on and finally said to him, I said, I've got to have this examined because I'm really in so much pain I can hardly sleep.

Wow.

He examined me and he said, we'd either you have a rectal lesion.

And I thought, oh, God, cancer.

And no, it turned out to be meant a wound that I had been injured.

And that was incidentally the.

When I very shyly called it a rectal pro.

Somewhere along the line, every troll and jerk, probably government agent in America and the world eventually picked up on it.

And I ended up spending the next 30 years being laughed at for being raped.

Oh, my Lord is easy now.

You've had 40 years to meditate on this.

Same thing happened with Travis Walton.

I interviewed him about within three months after his experience, and I interviewed him 35 years later, and I had the original conversation I had with him, and I didn't tell him that I had talked to him before.

And I asked him exactly the same questions that I had asked him 35 years earlier.

And he was still in shock when I talked to him the first time, not only did he answer every question I had exactly the same way he elaborated on it.

And I asked him, you've had a family.

You've grown up.

You've had 40 years to think about this.

What do you think happened?

And he had a whole other take on it.

He saw it as his fault that he put himself in harm's way, and they had no choice but to help him.

So he doesn't have any beef with what happened by these creatures or whatever it was.

That's interesting.

Now, how about yourself?

How is your.

I do want to get into a little bit of the details for people who don't know the story of what actually happened, because eventually you sought an hypnotist, Bud Hopkins, who at the time was researching, doing these things.

Well, I talked to Bud Hopkins.

What happened was, this is so odd.

My brother, who is somehow connected with all of this.

We don't know how, but we know he is.

Both of us do.

He doesn't remember any close encounters of his own, but he was in a bookstore in November of that year of 85 and looking for a Christmas present for me.

And we traditionally send each other Christmas Presents we don't like.

For some unknown reason, I always manage to find things he hates and he.

And vice versa.

So for some crazy reason, he decides to buy a UFO book for me.

And the odd thing about it was he saw the book lying in a Barnes and Noble and picked it up and decided to buy it for me.

And when he got to the desk, it wasn't on their.

In.

In.

In their inventory and it was denominated in pounds.

It was Jenny Randall's book science and the UFOs.

And they finally sold it to him for $5 or something and he sent it to me.

And I.

When I opened it the Christmas morning, I thought typical and just tossed to the side and.

But then six weeks or so later, I'm beginning to think they looked like something from another world.

These things and the stress of the traumas wearing off.

And I'm beginning to remember more.

And then I saw in the book a description of.

Toward the end of the book of something that's very similar to what happened to me and the mention of Bud Hopkins, who was described as a researcher.

So he turned out to live about two blocks, three blocks from us in Manhattan.

And I called him up and we went over to his house and he turned out not to be a researcher at all, but an artist who was interested in this.

And he immediately wanted to hypnotize me.

And I said, wait a minute, I don't see any certificates on your walls.

And so he proceeds to.

I have to hand it to this Tim.

We've had a falling out later.

But anyway, he got me in touch with probably the best forensic hypnotist on planet Earth, Dr. Donald Klein.

Dr. Klein had at that point in his career he was the head of the New York State Department of Psychiatry, which put him in way up at the top of the profession.

And he had at that time in his life, 72 cases where he had solved the cases are.

Contributed significantly to the solution of the cases using forensic hypnosis.

So he was the real deal.

And of course, after the book came out, the media started churning with stories about how hypnosis isn't real.

And all of this stuff, it's all nonsense in that in the hands of a capable professional like Don Klein, it is a very useful tool in excavating lost memories.

And.

And that's why the CIA uses it.

And half the.

Probably all the intelligence services in the world use it on their employees all the time because it works.

And they also use.

They use lie detectors because they work.

And when I got My lie detector results started to get published.

More stories showed up in the media about how lie detectors are all nonsense.

Why do you think that the initial response is one of disbelief, negativity and attack, as opposed to a little empathy?

If you live in my world, you'll find that human beings have empathy only when they don't feel threatened.

And this is very threatening.

It is called ontological shock.

The shock of the overturning of your life, of your belief system.

That's a tremendous shock.

And especially people who are devoted to their belief system, like scientists, who have spent their entire lives and careers slaving to make, to create in themselves and to plug themselves into the society as a person who understands something.

And now all of a sudden something comes along and it says it has scientific capabilities that make no sense.

Things that, as you referred to earlier, drive past with no wheels that are floating, stuff like that out of Move the movie science fiction.

And of course they're going to resist that.

And you take academics, they have a specific worldview and philosophers and intellectuals.

The west back in the Renaissance fought off a thousand year long brutal religious dictatorship until finally we reach the Enlightenment.

And the power of the church was at last broken.

After thousands of intellectuals and free thinkers and explorers of science had been imprisoned, their careers destroyed, many of them burned at the stake.

That's right.

Of course there's resistance to anything that suggests that this achievement, this revolution that freed the human mind to think at last, is somehow flawed.

I understood it perfectly well.

You certainly did offer a challenge to consensus reality.

I'm going to read just a quick paragraph from your book about your initial experience at the cabin.

You said that you were lifted like an elevator above the the house above the trees.

And you entered a space that you said smelled like warm cheddar cheese and a hint of sulfur odor, which has been reported by other witnesses.

It appears as though where you were was in some kind of an examination room.

And that you wrote that there was the most astonishing being I'd ever seen in my life.

Made more astonishing by the fact that I knew her.

I say her, but I don't know why this is a woman.

Perhaps because of her movements are so graceful.

Perhaps because she has created a stage of sexual arousal in me.

Or maybe it is simply the memory of her hand touching the side of my chest one time, so slightly and yet with such firmness.

You describe some of these visitors as being non human, with a strange complexion that resembled leather.

And then I'll finish with this on this visitor, the one you referred to as a her.

She had these amazing, electrifying eyes, the huge staring eyes of the old gods.

They were featureless in the sense that I couldn't see a pupil or iris.

She was seated across from me, her legs drawn up to her hands on her knees.

Her hands were wide when placed flat, narrow and long when dangling at her side.

There was a structure perhaps of bones faintly visible under the skin.

And yet other parts of her body seemed almost like an exoskeleton, like an insect.

I thought I might love this being almost as much as I love my own anima.

I bore toward her the same feelings of terror and fascination I might towards someone I saw staring back at me from the depths of my unconscious.

That's a tall glass of awareness.

She and Ann, who were allies, are back there behind me right now.

And there's a picture of her without the eyeglasses on her face on the COVID of the book there of the Fourth Mind, the latest book.

And I still love her very much.

Now, what do you.

When you say you felt a love for this being that abducted you essentially, or do you feel that's what happened?

It's a very complex relationship, and I don't know if it's a single being.

It's a. I don't.

In other words, I don't know if it's the same single person because they don't operate like that.

They have separate personalities, but a group mind.

And I always hated when these stupid morons say hive mind.

It's not a hive mind.

It's a very complex, very multifaceted mind that is projected into probably millions of different personalities.

But they're all linked by that same set of intellectual resources, but not the same emotional state resources at all.

Those are all individual.

You wrote as a group that they were.

You found them to be formidable.

But individually, not so much.

No, they're very fragile.

And they know it too.

They're very well aware of that.

They're very fragile compared to us.

We're great big pieces of meat.

And they're like more like buggish kind of things, especially the little short ones, which are biomechanical.

They're biological.

They have big complex brains and fully of developed personalities.

But they do not have their part.

It's too complicated to explain.

But they're partly mechanical and partly biological.

And they're very durable.

And they are designed, purpose built to control people like us and maybe other planets too, I don't know.

But they are.

They have all of the capabilities necessary to keep us under control.

As long as they don't get within range of the fist you hit them, they're gonna just fall apart.

So what is their intention, in your opinion or in your knowledge?

Is it dominance?

No.

If it was dominance, we'd already be dominated.

Correct.

Although I went through.

When I first had became aware of my relationship with her, I had.

I got into this weird, kind of masochistic sexual dominatrix space that I didn't even know existed in me.

And I wrote this short story called Pain.

This is.

Right, but this is.

But while I was actually beginning to remember the experience, and in the middle of the short story, for the first time in my entire writing career, UFO memes start to appear.

Anne read the short story, and she says, this looks like you've decided that you want to be whipped.

I said, what do you mean?

She said, the guy that gets his ass whipped.

Right?

And I said, I don't have any intention of getting my ass whipped.

She said, sure you do.

It's all through the story.

Let's start right now.

And I said, what do you mean, back off?

But anyway, so that happened, too.

And it was because I was dominated so completely by what seemed to me to be, and still does, a female presence.

A very definite female presence.

And she's still very much in my life.

I'm working on a creative project with some people, and as happens quite often when I'm working on creative projects, the visitors will show up in their lives.

And she was the.

That being, or one like her was there just a few months, couple months ago in the Hollywood Hills and scared the living daylights out of this poor lady.

And, of course, she was not over.

Yeah, it's okay.

It's still very much a part of my life.

Wow.

Are these creatures eternal?

Are they beyond our dimensional reality, time and space?

No idea.

I just have to talk about my own experience, which is a little different from yours, and I want to know if you've heard any other people who've had a similar experience.

I had a friend named Sharon who was very psychic.

She predicted the gangland shooting that me and Peter Bergman survived, which is described in my book Where's My Fortune Cookie?

But I spent an evening with her in Austin, New York, at the home of Dr. Andrija Poharich.

Does that name mean anything to you?

Yeah, sure it does.

All right.

She was an assistant to Dr. Paharic and Uri Geller, who was ironically working with him.

And they had contact, ostensibly with flying saucers in the Israeli desert.

And she was channeling information about what they call post engineering.

Anyway, she was channeling information from the aliens and would be flown around the country speaking to groups of scientists and the military.

But what she told me was that the aliens liked what I was doing with my comedy because Proctor and Bergman, we portrayed aliens in our act for a certain period of time.

And she said they liked the idea that you're making people accept their reality in a humorous way.

And the sign that will show that they are interested and that they support you is lights going on and off around you.

And Whitley, the stories I could tell you about that.

Some of them are in the book.

But even as of today, as we were driving here to Florida, lights went on the highway above me.

And this has been going on, I can tell you, incredibly significant part of my life for love.

Lights going on and all around me.

Does anybody else had any phenomenon like that?

Oh, yeah, they're known as street light people.

They put out street lights and turn them on.

I'm a street light person too.

Okay.

Yeah, it's.

I.

In fact, I had.

So it was so extreme at one point that I actually called the Department of Streets, or whatever it was called in New York at the time to figure out why it would be that someone walked under a street light and it went off.

Because it happened so much.

It was just like a family joke.

And the guy explained to me the lights are controlled by a mercury switch that's sensitive.

That's on top of the.

Of every bank of seven lights.

I think he said, or maybe 10.

And it reacts to light from above.

And I said, well, does it?

What is the spectrum of the light?

And he said, very broad.

And I think that's.

What's happening is there's something above you that is shining light down a light on a frequency that is not the human eye can't see, but those switches can.

This would also happen to me in people's homes.

Okay.

Have you ever broken any electronic appliances?

Not broken them, but I would be talking about it and it would happen.

I was in my home.

Some kind of an energy there.

My wife used to call the blowing out of stereos and stuff, having an electroleptic fit.

That's very good.

That's very good.

Because I'm not alone.

A lot of people do this.

You blow out computers and TVs, and this happens in this office all the time.

Okay.

Computer I'm on has been blown out numerous times.

And there's always some kind of something.

Yeah.

So you're in a.

Definitely a known space.

Yeah.

There's been this thing which still goes on, and I actually consider you my friend because of that.

So we are united, my friend.

One other question I have, though.

Any implants.

Have you found any implants in the same question goes to the Earth.

I've got an implant in my left ear.

I've written and talked about it a lot.

It's been extensively studied.

The video of the attempt to remove it is on my website.

And there is also a CT scan of it.

And.

And there's been a brain scan done that is quite interesting as well.

So, yeah, this has been studied extensively and I use it all the time.

It's active.

It's incredibly useful.

It's the best research tool any human being could ever hope to have, and I love it.

When Bernie and I first had our conversation about that night, I asked Bernie if he had any issues around his.

Around his neck or around the back of his ear, like any kind of irritation.

And Bernie, you said you did.

Yeah, I recall that I did a little bump back there.

Something like a little cyst or something.

Yeah, it come up in my earlobe.

Yeah.

So it's very interesting because my doctor said I. I, Anne did not want me to have it taken out.

I remember I was awake when it was put in.

It was not put in by aliens.

It was put in by two people.

And I couldn't do anything about it.

It couldn't stop them.

But it's all.

This is detailed in my book A New World, the Whole Story.

And as I say, the video of the removal attempt is on my website.

Roger Lear up in ventura studied that.

Dr. Roger Lear and I.

That's right.

And I arranged for Dr. Lear to have many of his implants studied at Southwest Research in San Antonio, which was founded by a family friend.

And.

And he had them studied in other venues as well.

He did real pioneering work.

And too bad we lost him because someone's got to get back to that.

I went up to his offices.

He showed me a lot of very interesting material.

Clearly was.

Oh, it was extraordinary.

Yeah, it really was.

We only got three minutes left.

I can't believe how quickly this went.

I hope you guys can come back because.

Hey, listen, I told you missing time, Right?

We gotta talk about missing time because at some point.

Point.

Because maybe we can redo this again someday.

Yeah.

Can you tease us with a minute maybe of missing time?

Yeah.

Okay.

Missing time is what happens is the part of the executive function of the brain known as the hippocampus takes in information and distributes it to the appropriate areas of memory and that can be turned off.

They can turn the hippocampus off completely.

That means the brain doesn't know where the memory has gone and can't access it again.

And it's like nothing happened.

Nothing happened.

But a hypnotist who understands the brain deeply and has a background in urology knows how to access memories that are.

That are where the pathway has been broken.

That's what Dr. Klein could do.

Wow.

I saw an interview recently with Kurt Russell, and he was talking about.

Because he was the pilot who actually reported the.

The Phoenix Lights.

And he said once he did it, he completely forgot about it for years and years until he walked in and his wife was watching.

Goldie Hawk was watching a documentary on it, and he heard about the pilot reporting it, and it flashed back to him.

He said, I'm that pilot.

I did that.

Wow.

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

All right, Bernie, thank you so much for joining us.

We want you to come back, too.

Thanks, guys.

Appreciate it.

Whitley, Strieber, thank you so much, both of you, gentlemen.

And good luck with your studies.

All right, Phil, Have a good cruise.

Thank you, Ted.

We've got a bunch of good shows coming up.

SexyBoomershow.com is our website.

You can hear all of our shows there.

And we'll see you next week.

You once.

Another fascinating show.

Take care.

Unless we're abducted, who knows?